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Jumping off on JKCarrier's point, I'll go one step further: David recognizes himself in Katchoo. Someone who has had such hardships and pain and seen the ugliness in himself and feels "saved". He is projecting this onto Katchoo. I have done it myself. I want to share in my own rejuvenation. I want to show someone I love that there is hope. I guess it's a variation on "I was lost but now I'm found." David feels that his own patience and compassion and genuine love can save Katchoo from herself...
Ultimately, only Katchoo can save herself. When someone as supportive as David sticks by you when you are horrible to them, you can find the part of yourself that appreciates it. Katchoo has shown a bit of it (maybe all she's capable of at this point), but for David, when Katchoo shows that soft side of herself he knows she may come around. I wager it is this hope (however unrealistic) along with just plain being in love with her that keeps David trying. Having a huge crush on her myself (I KNOW she's just a comic book character!) I admire what David's attempting -- even if it annoys me.
That said, I'm still pulling for Version One and a happy ending for the heart of the story which is Katchoo & Francine.
Josh
from Brooklyn
(Terry Moore signed my copy of TPB #1!!!)
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Why does David stay? Being who I am, I can't honestly say I've asked myself that question. However I've seen it addressed time and time again in SiP's letters column. Like some people (I'd like to say most, but most responses to David's lingering persona in the letter col.s are negative in position), I understand why. Perhaps more than what I would fully like to admitt.
There is a "Katchoo" in my life for as long as I care to remember. She's had rough spots in her life, times of confusion and great loss. I've done whatever I could do for her and then some. Just by being there: a shoulder to cry on, a strength to talk to, and an open opinion when needed. To what end to what extent... there isn't one. To paraphrase Kevin Smith, it was because of who she is and what she means to me. In the end that's all that matters. Though she's a source of heartache in my life, I couldn't imagine life without her. Yes, I won't lie, I , still to this very day, love her and I know nothing could ever possibly happen between her and I , I'll always be there for her whenever she needs me. I think she knows that, and hopefully she understands why. But it's weird how she can tell me she loves me and how it cuts me just as deeply as any wound ever could.
I believe this how David feels. Granted he has no real reason to stay, nothing to gain but everything to lose, but he must. I can understand that, but it's not the easiest thing to explain or bring to words. Few emotions ever are. Hopefully, some of you (once again I hope most) get the gist of this.
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'Nuff Said.
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Hey VLAD!
*hugs* and Oreos and M&Ms.
Welcome to the SIP board.
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Selah
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*passes around some Dom Perignon and truffles*
I know EXACTLY where David is coming from, I was in a relationship like that about 7 years ago, it lasted 3 years and it was wonderful and horrible at the same time. I actually had NO chance of having a relationship with this person but I kept trying and trying, to no avail.
Soon I discovered, just be a friend, and live your life. Things went very well after that.
So yeah, I know what David feels, and I hope he takes the best direction for him.
Hugs..
Veronica
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I originally posted this 'defense of David' under the "#44 Spoilers" topic, but it belongs here.
*Mara passes out chocolate chip oatmeal cookies (miraculously Cafiene free so that Tyle can join in :o))*
Does anyone have milk? :o)
Thanks for reading and Blessings to all.
-Mara
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There have been many moments where David has at least been given real hope that Kat loves him. Aside from her declaration of love in the hospital, Kat also has many cosy and deep honest loving moments with him.
1) confession of her s-dads rape
2)secrets- sharing on the beach in #33
3)her kissing him on more than one ocasion
4)When Francie asks "What are you doing with him?" Kat answers "What I should be doing with you" While this definitely points to her preference for Francie--It also* indicates that she is romantically toying with David. Unless, she only said this to make Fran jealous and never touched D-boy, but Kat usually means what she says and often means what she does.
5)There is also the moment a few issues ago when Kat drags D-boy into the bedroom to do what? and Casey interrupts them with her strip-tease.
... and the list goes on... but I'd have to go through issues one page at a time to find them all.
I disagree with the people who claim that Katchoo has been totally up front with David about only liking women. Her behavior says otherwise. To those who say David should know anyway--While I agree that to we lucky readers who get to see almost everything, it is obvious that Kat has and *probably will always love Francine--she has also shown a spark for David.
He is not naive, hopeless or foolish...He loves her beyond his own life and he wants to 'rescue' her. That is why he stays.
I am not either a David fanatic or a David hater...all I can say is that he has been an incredible friend and support for both Fran and Kat and I don't think he is stupid or unnecessary to the story.
As for Francie--part of her loves Katchoo in all ways, but she has been straight for a long time. And though 'switching teams' may seem common its not always easy. I have fallen in love with both a woman (in my teens) and with a man (in my 20s) and love is very* complicated thing. It took me a long time (about 6 yrs) and many 'visions of the future' to figure out that I am more attracted to men than women...so Francie (and SiP) taking 6 yrs to decide and David hoping that Kat may change *both make sense.
thats my two bits...thanks for reading.
Peace,
Mara
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P.S. Smile Jesus (a.k.a. God a Higher Benevolent Being) Loves You!
Converted by Telydras
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November 28th?!?! That's the last post... come on people. I know, I know, it's been awhile for me too, so I really don't have room to talk. With that thought, cue the music and on with the show...
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Over winter break I've had a lot of time to think about this topic and how it applies to my own life. During vacation, I was asked by my "Sis" (I've known this girl for ten years, and despite the fact there is no biological connection between her and I, the term feels very appropriate)why I happen to remain a part of a certain young lady's life, despite the shit and hell she puts me through on a daily basis (emotionally and physically, of which I'm all too aware). All break I had to ponder this, muddling it about in my mind. While at it I re-read my collection of SIP back issues and paperbacks to only discover why I fell in love with the series to begin with.
It seems to me that by asking "Why does David stay?" is like asking myself,"Why do I stay?" I can relate to David, and Katchoo in personality and appearances alone conjures images of the woman in my life that plays the same role Kat has with David, with me. That's what made me fall head over heels for the series when I read it while working a "I-need-the-money-so-I'm-working-at-at-a-friend's-comic-shop-and-I-hate-it" job (don't get me wrong I like comics and all things related but some fan-boys and girls can get almost psychologically and mentally distrubed when a shipment is late or an isue is missing in their collections of craptastic mainstream comics...once again no offense if this applies to anyone).
It seems I'm dodging the question(s) at hand, aren't I? So why does David stay? For that matter, and almost word for word the same reasons, why do I(Just change everything in reference to Dave to personalize it for myself, and everything involving Kat to involve the woman in my life)? Well I believe David stays first and foremost, because of what he had to go through himself. The gangs, the killing, and his demented sister Darcy(not quite me, but I've had a dark past too). Not to mention going through all that alone, survivng it, and after trying to prove that you're still a worthwhile human being to yourself let alone anyone else. Katchoo has been through hell and back, too, time and time again, and in away David can relate. Perhaps the personal experiences aren't exactly the same, but to some degree he understands what she's going through and what she'll eventually have to face. He most likely had to do this himself, and once again alone. David doesn't want Katchoo to have to face it like that, though in some instances she'll probably have to but if she needs to at least she can take take comfort in knowing David is there. That alone is worthwhile, despite the emotional pain and torture he'll have to endure for and mostly because of her. That's a true friend, and it's what you do if you love someone unconditionally.
Secondly, David has the oppertunity to see a side of her few people ever do. A side worth redemming, worth fighting for, let alone dying for. It's a small reason, but it's worthwhile despite being short and sweet (like me... lol).
Finally (no you'll still hear from me on this issue time and time again), David loves her. Regardless if she loves him or not, what she does or doesn't, it's a moot point. He always will. If anyone thinks love is all hearts, flowers, and things always working out "just-so", then it's time for a wake up call. It's never easy, and there is always a lot of pain, despite it's good points.
I guess that all that needs to be said about that ( Ihope you read this Sis, I tried to explain this all to you hopefully this comes off better but I think it probably won't. Just please try to understand or at least just except it). I hope this made sense I look forward to you guys responses.
Kurt.
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